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NRC is Not Moving // Current State of Affairs Announcement

 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:43 am    Post subject: NRC is Not Moving // Current State of Affairs Announcement  Reply with quote

Hello everyone, this is Lava. I have the admin account back. I'm not sure how to start this off, so I'll just jump right into it. First off, NRC is not moving anywhere. Disregard previous mass emails and announcements. We plan to stay right here.

With that out of the way, here is the more important stuff. All of you know that over the past several years I have not been active in the RP (or really posting in general). Between college, law school, and now a real life adult job, I did not have the time to be as active as I once was. However, I still love this forum and treasure it as a significant part of my growing up. While I haven't been that active recently, this forum used to consume nearly all of my free time for many years. Not only have I sunk hard work and money into the website, it holds special sentimental value for me. Due to this, I have always remained as the helm, even if other staff members were more active and perhaps better suited for the position. It is selfish, but I'm trying to be straight with all of you.

I created the Head of Forums position, after realizing I could no longer be as active as I once was, to essentially be the leader of the forums while I still retained the ownership. However, over the years Head of Forums have come and gone, usually leaving destruction and attempts at deleting the forum on their way out. I'm not sure why people feel the need to be so childish just because this is the internet, but I guess that is just the way it is. Anyways, I digress - it has become abundantly clear that I can no longer be an absentee owner and still entrust random people (many of whom I never actually talked to, since they joined NRC after my "departure") with admin access as Head of Forums (or any other admin accessible positions). As a note, I'm not talking about this most recent "incident" (if you'll call it that), mostly thinking of things years back. Anyways, here is what I'm proposing:

I will remain owner of this forum. I cannot and will not promise that I'm coming back to how it was back in 2006-2011. However, I will make my best effort to be more active and aware of behind the scenes stuff than I have been recently. This means, I'll be in regular contact with the staff and resolve conflicts, as well as continuing to maintain back-end stuff that I've been doing throughout NRC's life. To help facilitate this, I created an email account specifically for NRC communications. My main email that I use for work, gaming, and everything else in my life gets several hundred emails a day and it is easily to not notice an email. This new email is nrc.lavathing@gmail.com. Anyone, staff and members alike, feel free to contact me via this email for anything related to NRC and I'll make a strong effort to respond within 24 hours.

With that said, for the time being and the indefinite future, for the security and stability of NRC, I will be the only person with admin access. Obvious we will still have moderators, and I will likely retain all of the previous positions; however, none of them will have admin access. With this new email account that I will check at least once a day, these senior staff members should be able to contact me quickly and have me do anything they need in the admin cp. This is not a backlash against any recent staff members. I do not hold any ill will. This is why I am not banning anyone. I'm not coming back with a vengeance and instantly banning everyone who supported ownership change - because that would be ridiculous. I believe the motivations for the ownership change were good. I am doing this simply to, with near 100% certainty, prevent another rogue admin from destroying the forums again.

In regards to the "new NRC" that has been created. I obviously, as stated above, plan to keep NRC open here. I would politely request that the new forum change their name and resist from carbon copying us or otherwise presenting themselves as our official successor. However, if the admins at the "new NRC" (don't like using that term, but there really isn't another one available to me atm :P ) wish to make their own Naruto RP forum that is independent of us and is not a straight copy, then I wish them the best of luck. But, if they wish to come back here, they still have their staff positions available to them. I'm guessing they want to make NRC work, which is why they named their new forum NRC. So, let's make it work, here, where it started nearly a decade ago. I promise to be a better owner and be more in contact with members, and most important my volunteer staff members. I understand this is a thankless and non-paid job, but it is what keeps us going. I hope you'll reconsider and return. I'm sure you guys are already discussing this, as I noticed as soon as I got ownership back the chatbox below had people saying they need to talk in skype - but maybe I'm just too paranoid. Again, I'm not mad and I'd love to have you back.

I think that is all I need/want to say at this point. I'll give a brief TL;DR below for those that don't want to read my wall of text, although I'd appreciate it if you did. Going immediately forward, if the old staff wish to remain on here, please shoot me a PM or email (nrc.lavathing@gmail.com) and I'll restore moderator access and have a quick chat. I set up a Discord server for NRC staff for even more expedient communication, so I'll provide the link for that following you guys PM/emailing me. To reiterate, I'm sorry to those that I've let down over the past few years. I promise to be better, NRC still means quite a lot to me (otherwise I wouldn't keep fighting for ownership back :P ), and I want to see it succeed again.

TL;DR:
-I'm back. Email me at nrc.lavathing@gmail.com for quick contact.
-NRC is remaining here, we are not moving.
-"Old" staff members are welcome to take their positions back immediately, just PM/email me.
-I'm not banning anyone.
-Admin access will be severely restricted to prevent any future rogue admins from destroying the forum.
-Any feedback is appreciated.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despite the current affairs of things, it is nice to see you, Lava. However with that said, I don't much have an intention on dropping the other site. And it has nothing to do with ownership swaps or any of that junk, but simply because of 2 things 1.) The majority of the active community decided that it would be nice to be building something instead of idly sitting back waiting for the rollback 2.) MyFF coding is ancient/not very flexible.

We took the time to remodel damn near every pertinent system, try to maintain what fragment of a community we had after stewing for weeks waiting on you, and now we're finally open. It was never supposed to be a takeover or anything of the sorts, but we did put our, time, energy, and effort into first building a new site to house NRC, but also put the money together and stuck together so we could roll this place back.

I'm not apt to make this a thing, but really through all that chaos a good deal of us made an effort to bring you to the forefront. I initiated the ownership change as to not have people idling about, so they could get back to RPing as soon as possible (since only owners can pay for rollbacks). And while I think its great you want to have an impact with us again, I'd call it being a bit to late in a respect. Since really you've shown that every time we or the forum needs you...you're not available.

I personally have supported this place going on almost ten years...as I was one of the first and most active members here. But it comes a point where you have to attempt for bigger and better instead of stewing in the mundane and stagnant. There was just some things that couldn't be done without you here, so we did what we had to. There was some things that couldn't be done with MyFF, so we moved because we had to. It's all about growth and foundation of the NRC brand to bring it expanding content and a more stable (and beautiful) environment to RP on, for both the NRC alumni and newbies alike.

Now as per content, in your absence, myself, Sucal, Pik, Pooch, and Gal have likely contributed to 98% of the system changes, clan updates, and things of that matter. So its really like one of those things can you really call it YOUR content if your contributions to the content were basically 0? You may have created the machine, but we most certainly made the cogs to keep it going. So I'd be partial to say that the cogs belong to us.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lava, I say here hearing you say almost the same exact thing when Ballian was kicked from being co-owner. You have made attempts in the past to come back to nrc, promising to be active and what not. You failed to do so each time and we had to figure stuff out ourselves. What makes you think that this occasion will be any different?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Cite:

I respect all of that. I apologize for the long wait required on the rollback. For some reason your email to me was spam filtered by gmail and I honestly still cannot find the email MYFF's admin sent me. I'm sure this is not going to change anything, but I'm willing to "refund" you guys the money required for the rollback. I appreciate you guys putting forward your own money to try to save the forums, that is my job to do, and I obviously failed at that. Again, I'm sure that will not change anything, I'm not trying to buy you guys back, just trying to do what is right (if you want it).

While I agree that for most of the internal affairs stuff of deciding rules, policies, staff members, etc I have been absent. However, I believe that despite my history of being absent from the front-end of the forums for a few year, I have been been here when the forum needed me on the back-end. Sure, things might not happen instantly, but that variance in reaction time would not have been that significantly different than if I was still active on the forums. Many issues I can remember that required my immediate attention over the past few years have all been issues that required a fair bit of time to sort out. As you probably know now, even as an owner it takes time to talk with the folks over at myff hq, confirm payments, get a rollback time set, and then eventually go through with it. Also, I remember us having a domain issue about a year back. That was because our old domain register was through myff's affiliate who is no longer in business. So there was a whole mess of getting the domain name back that took about a week. While these might seem like incidents prolonged by me "not being here when the forum needed me", in fact many times I was here behind the scenes. But, I'll admit, some things I am late to, but for the most part for "big forum needs you NOW" problems, I think I've handled them in a reasonable amount of time (other than the most recent rollback this month that prompted this entire discussion). With that said, I think I've laid out how I plan to stop this from ever happening again, between limiting admin access and having a dedicated email/discord for quick communication. I know I should have done this sooner, but I can't change the past, only improve in the future.

As a minor point, as I think this is definitely the least influential catalyst for you guys wanting to move, I agree that some of MYFF stuff is old and not as functional as some other forum hosts. However, MYFF is notoriously stable, fast, and reliable. We have almost zero downtime as a result of hosting issues. And actually, if you are knowledgeable in forum coding (mostly css), MYFF allows you to edit all of the forum files in the admin cp, unlike nearly every other free forum provider. It might not be as streamlined as other providers, but with sufficient coding knowledge and problem solving, I think everything we need can be provided by MYFF. For example, the Roleplaying Characters and RPG Stats sections under everyone's signatures were hand coded by me many years ago. They are not a feature of MYFF forums, but I was able to add them since MYFF allows us to edit the css and html of the entire forum for free. Again, some forums may have this as a base steam-lined feature, but it is still possible on MYFF.

With that all said, I completely understand if you guys want to do your own thing that you have complete control over. It makes sense. It is why I started NRC back in 2006, after being dissatisfied with several other Naruto RP forums. However, I still ask that you rebrand your website as something other than NRC. I intend to keep this NRC here even if you guys live. I do not endorse your website as being the new NRC where people just copy everything over. While I'm obviously not going to start a real legal battle or anything (because that would be ridiculous), out of mutual respect I'd appreciate that if you choose to make your own Naruto RP forum that you make it that, your own - not a copy. Obviously anyone is free to use basic mechanics and stuff we use here, and people are free to copy over their own work that they wrote themselves, but I think it is in poor taste to continue to call your website NRC v5 and straight copy over everything from here (not sure if you actually did that, honestly haven't really looked at the new forum much, just assuming) if this NRC continues on. I understand why you guys originally called it NRC v5 and want people to "transfer" over there and keep the same universe IC and all that, thinking that this NRC was done. But now that I plan to keep it here, like I said, I'd appreciate it if you could be independent from us if you plan to continue with the new website.

Anyways, like I said in chat, I'm heading to bed for the "night" (more like morning). Just wanted to respond with something for you to think about today. Like I said, you guys are welcome back here as staff, and you can basically have free reign over the direction of the IC stuff going forward, or you can do your own thing. I promise I will do better in the future, but I understand NRC's history over the past few years, and I fully understand if you choose to leave. I'm willing to work with you guys and figure out a plan to make it work out here, let me know if there is anything that would change your minds and I'll seriously consider it. You guys have done good work for NRC over the years and I'd hate to lose you.

PS:  Sorry for any grammatical/spelling errors, writing this at 8 am and I haven't slept yet. Thank God I have today off from work.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lava, I say here hearing you say almost the same exact thing when Ballian was kicked from being co-owner. You have made attempts in the past to come back to nrc, promising to be active and what not. You failed to do so each time and we had to figure stuff out ourselves. What makes you think that this occasion will be any different?


Ok, last post before bed time.

I looked back at the old thread I made when the whole Ballian think went down. Just as a clarification, he wasn't kicked from being co-owner, and his ownership change was not the same as this one. It was not because the site needed to be rolled back or something and I was not able to be contacted. It was definitely more of a hostile takeover.

Anyways, for a short while after the Ballian incident, I did remain active, doing behind the scenes stuff, as documented here: http://narutorpcenter.com/about35736.html (among other stuff) However, I was still in college at the time, and while I attempted to "come back", the same issues that caused me to "leave" in the first place happened again.

The difference this time is that I'm not just promising to "come back" and not change anything. In fact, I'm not even saying I'm "coming back" to being an active forumer or RPer. I'm saying that I will be more in contact with staff to help with back end stuff, such as staff conflicts, bans, paying bills, all admin access stuff, general issues, etc. I think the main issue over the past year or so has not been that I'm not active on the forums anymore, but rather that I've been difficult to contact. I've made steps to make that easier, with a dedicated email and discord for just that.

That's all I can say. I'm sure many will, for good reason, not believe me. But, remember, I'm not making empty promises of returning to my 2006-2010 days on NRC. I'm simply trying to be pragmatic about the problems NRC has faced over the past few years. I do not think my involvement in the RP or even general forums has anything to do with those problems. The problems are all due to lack of communication between me and my staff. I intend to fix that.

Ok, night time for real now.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hiatus.... sure. this member is a permabanned member.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yourself and Kats didn't know what y'all were doing, and were promptly killing the site more than you were actually helping it (which wasn't at all). People were "Fighting" you because this inexperience you were talkin about, was being displayed by you and him. What's interesting is that when you and Kats were done, is that the forum had came back to full life, and was still going in full stride up until the point the whole Ari/Rai situation occurred and the site disappeared.

It was only then that the place started to break down waiting for a rollback / Lava or for us to design more systems that were suitable for the other NRC when we didn't think Lava was coming back. Personally I don't think the problem is HoF per say, but the interest of said HoF's. Intentions can be as good as they want to, but if the direction people are trying to take the forum isn't well received...because we change things for the community not ourselves (or definition of what we consider absolute), then you as an HoF or high ranking staff won't be received well.

Inactivity as HoF isn't received well either. And as per high ranking staff, Nobody, Ari, Rai, yourself, Kats, all tend to just go AWOL for long periods of time or don't have your own computer / a loopy non-conducive schedule to actually spend time with the forum and the people. I honestly can't sit back and think of one thing productive that entire group has made...that has actually stuck here, be it a system or a general idea. And it wasn't due to opposition, it was due to either not trying, no time, or having no clue what you're doin.

And before we sit here and flame Red, Gal, and Pooch, A.) This whole C-Box registering thing you're talkin about had nothing to do with either of them. B.) Gal & Pooch have actually contributed to systems / ideas that have been and stayed pertinent. C.) Red after you and Kats dropped off, for a bit made this place float when it was in an inevitable death spiral. So iunno, you've come back here guns blazing at like everyone that exist, and THIS is why people don't bother with you.

This is why people are like "Get Max outta here, then I can come play". Because your own personality / way of going about things isn't healthy for THIS community. So instead of trying to throw blame at everyone else, how about you actually look at yours and Kats performance, what exactly y'all did (He wanted to gravitate towards canon and kinda filter OP. Which can't be done because he doesn't think of combinations well. He thinks elements are OP.). And yourself (Well...I can't remember any platform you actually had, just a string of threads arguing with people about somethin or another. As is currently happening).

Nonetheless, all in all, I just don't agree with you lol. HoF is a position where you have to understand the mechanics, FIRST, to make a decision. Secondly you have to be ballzy enough to implement something that's a good idea, even if it is against the grain. Third, you have to know when you scrap said idea when it receives too much opposition / isn't feasible. The problem with Kats was 1. The problem with Ari was 2. The problem with Rai / Nobody / Alex was 3.

And before we even jump on, cursing/swearing, barbaric Cite, every time I've maintained HoF, 3 things have happened. 1.) Activity came back, 2.) New systems were made / Clans were updated, all of which have stayed intact, 3.) I've searched for ways to make this place better, and usually have since my ideas are never repelled. So nah, I may have minimal people skills, but I know how to keep NRC running like a well-oiled machine without people running away from it and actually running towards it. On top of that, anytime NRC has been in innate crisis situation, whether I'm high staff or not, I take it upon myself to gather the pieces and try and put it back together. The fact this place got rolled back with no one's intervention but my own is just another testament to that. And everybody can say "for selfish purposes", the the fact of the matter the foum is still here to have this conversation and likely wouldn't be otherwise.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Highly doubt Lava has time for that. I'll just leave it at that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All in all, there are things that just can't be tolerated. not even much from an OOC standpoint, since I have no qualm with people having their brand of fun in the C-box or OOC section of the forum. However what cannot be tolerated is rampant trolling acts of childishness in the IC sections. I've never much stood for that type of thing in the app sections, as I generally meet non-compliance with a simple...well you can get this out the trash when you're ready to be serious about it.

Needless to say however, if someone needs help with development of an idea or something of the sort, I've no problem with helping work out problems to make their idea workable with the systems that we have. HOWEVER, that type of work, while something I'm proficient at, given the amount of time I've dedicated focus towards it, its not my bread and butter, nor do I really like to actively oversee it. I'm not a handholder and I feel like that's why the Head of Apps, GMs, etc exist.

I'd rather (and as I have) focus on system problems, updates, and the like. Plus I've always been the one to firmly put my foot down if something just can't work out or isn't in the the best interest of the community. Granted, every time I've spread my wings to try something new and innovative it has worked out, and not even just worked out, but worked out well for everybody instead of just a specific group of people. So with that said, my interest in HoF doesn't come from the ability to say "F U dude", but the ability to get things done that need doing without much interference to the process. I generally start working on something, post a result, get opinions, and implement, which is less straining than a thousand opinions that don't mesh.

Where people's issue with you and Kats came in was what seemed to be like the limiting of freedom. And yeah I get it, freedom causes screw ups and OPness sometimes, but personally I've always loved the "benefit of the doubt, until you screw it up, then it's taken". Why? Because NRC has always been a place where even the whackiest idea someone can come up with can be embraced in some form or fashion. And while that may be, I think hindering OP doesn't come from limiting user creativity, but having solid systems that can't even allow such OPness. You don't try and fix and single cog, you fix the whole machine and everything within it will function as it should.

But I know all in all, sometimes I'm not a very friendly person lol, and that's just the reality of it. So if you wanted to step in and be that aspect where I'd just be "RAWR", then I can definitely condone this. But that was the point of tandem HoF's to begin with, one picks up where the other is weak and vice versa to make sure discrepancies are minimal. Neither of us have never nuked the forum or started rage deleting things, so that's a definite plus lol.

All in all I'm willing to try anything, so long as this place gets moving again and there is some sort of revolution to be underwent with systems (though I've already hammered out everything via systems to mitigate the "0 to S-rank" thing that has been a staple in the community since its birth. Much more plot forward with a slower pace, and actual connection instead of lemme just get all my SAs, jutsu, bloodline stuff, etc out the way until I've maxed out everything. That type of thing encourages E-peen contest as well as becomes unfair for the newer members of the community who've gotten less "gifts" than the staple members over the years.

Nonetheless, I've never cared about popularity or much how I even appear to others. What I do care about is results though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whenever you get the time, ask away, I'm pretty much an open book, and where I wanna go with NRC isn't anything cryptic I need to hide from anyone lol.


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Shinobi Rank: S-Rank {Yondaime Kuzukage}
Village: Arechigakure no Sato
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Inventory: 1 Basic Element Slot, 1 Primary Element, 1 Light/Dark, 9 Style Points, 5 Rank Trains, 1/2 Pand

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